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Re: Hartypool

Post by Chadwick » Fri May 14 2021 6:23pm

gle1975 wrote:
Thu May 13 2021 9:27am
It seems strange now that after 1992 Labour thought they could not win a general election and planned to work closely with the Lib Dems. Then people got sick of the conservatives, there was a lot of tactical voting in 1997 and Labour got a giant majority. Maybe it will happen again - especially the tactical voting.
In 1997 Labour also had a candidate that was acceptable to many centre/moderate Conservative voters. And whilst not in disarray, the Tories were divided over Europe and suffering from sleaze scandals. Blair was undoubtedly more media-friendly that Major. All that helped tip the balance for Labour's decisive 1997 victory.

Today, whilst we may be sick of the Tories, they have a flamboyant leader who outclasses Starmer in charisma. The Tories are not especially divided, whereas Labour is.
The Tories main failure - Brexit - has been masked by the pandemic and in particular the successful vaccination programme.

Until Labour can unite behind a centrist candidate and capitalise on the failings of Brexit, I think it's unlikely they'll tempt the middle-ground voter. We'd have to be really sick of the Tories, and right now they've got the wind in their vaccination sails.

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Re: Hartypool

Post by Richard Frost » Fri May 14 2021 6:33pm

It is not gonna happen but I actually wonder if it is the time for labour to split into two Although it has been tried before. I cant help feeling that it is to broad a party to continue to encompass all it currently embraces. It is currently a party of extremes.

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Re: Hartypool

Post by blythburgh » Sat May 15 2021 9:24am

Richard Frost wrote:
Fri May 14 2021 6:33pm
It is not gonna happen but I actually wonder if it is the time for labour to split into two Although it has been tried before. I cant help feeling that it is to broad a party to continue to encompass all it currently embraces. It is currently a party of extremes.
same could be said of the Tory party
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Re: Hartypool

Post by Richard Frost » Sat May 15 2021 9:29am

blythburgh wrote:
Sat May 15 2021 9:24am
Richard Frost wrote:
Fri May 14 2021 6:33pm
It is not gonna happen but I actually wonder if it is the time for labour to split into two Although it has been tried before. I cant help feeling that it is to broad a party to continue to encompass all it currently embraces. It is currently a party of extremes.
same could be said of the Tory party
Very true and i was going to say that , but the extremes are more obvious in Labour at the moment. The Tories for the time being are largely holding their peace. As I said it aint gonna happen.

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