Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by Sarah » Sun Sep 12 2021 8:41am

Shoppers face permanent food shortages with the days of being able to get almost any item off the supermarket shelf over
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by macliam » Sun Sep 12 2021 9:28am

What a pity that nobody warned them that isolationism isn't a brilliant idea for a country that irelies on imports........ :silent:

Pay more to get less.......
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by planteria » Sun Sep 12 2021 11:00am

macliam wrote:
Sun Sep 12 2021 9:28am
What a pity that nobody warned them that isolationism isn't a brilliant idea for a country that irelies on imports........ :silent:
nobody warned who? the nation was bombarded with that message, along with threats of increased terrorism as the EU, and US - somehow, would refuse to share security information with us, etc, et al, ad nauseam....

now we are shown a picture of an empty shelf in a Co-op in Smerrick and are told it's because the nation chose a different path than they were supposed to.. but they don't touch the empty stores in Australia, Sweden, or France - Lyon has been incredible, stores with no bread, or even cheese for the CESMs :mrgreen:

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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by macliam » Sun Sep 12 2021 5:51pm

It's called irony .... rather like the irony in the expression "taking back control"..... :roll:

You'll know that the localised issues in Lyons (not in ALL France) were due to the extreme Covid lockdowns there (not seen in the UK) and the lack of temporary workers (due to Covid restrictions). This is NOT the case in the UK - and industry voices confirm that. However, by all means pick on specific and isolated issues in the EU or elsewhere to suggest there is an endemic problem, or to excuse issues at home, this is something the UK press has long practiced.

Maybe you need to get out a bit..... in Portugal, that little country on the edge of Europe, there are no notable shortages - and no lack of HGV drivers. It also has one of the highest percentages of double-vaxed citizens in the World at 79%, which is largely due to membership of the EU allowing it to secure far greater quantities of vaccine that would have been possible as a single state of 10m people.
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by Chadwick » Sun Sep 12 2021 6:45pm

planteria wrote:
Sun Sep 12 2021 11:00am
empty stores in Australia,
Caused by panic buying (or a 'surge in demand' as their government would prefer to call it) with each snap lockdown. Eased almost immediately as soon as supply chains catch up.
The difference with the UK is that we are not panic buying, yet still have gaps on shelves.


Brexit is not the only cause of the food supply issues. As you state, there are supply chain problems globally, mainly due to covid interrupting harvest, manufacture, processing and distribution operations. The European driver shortage has long been an issue, but is now even more acute and impactful.

All of Europe is affected by this. But the UK has an additional constraint - Brexit. We have got rid of our cheap labour supply, so now we have limited resources with which to patch up the supply chain gaps.

We have three choices: 1) allow foreign workers in again, 2) reduce the amount of food on shop shelves, 3) increase wages for the unskilled labour in the supply chain, to attract more people into those roles; this cost will mostly be passed on to the retail price of food.

The anger is because this was dismissed as 'project fear' and we took back control with no plan to deal with this problem. Sovereignty and control are apparently not appropriate substitutes for affordable food supplies.
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by parchedpeas » Sun Sep 12 2021 8:48pm

If you put up barriers to trade then of course things are going to be worse. Hard to believe people are still pretending that Brexit isn't a factor. It may not be *the* factor, but it's always there, lingering at the back of everything that is happening in this country at the moment.

Until it produces a benefit - which it has yet to do and which people have given up pretending that it can - then it has to be seen as what it is: a pointless, negative influence on our country.

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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by Chadwick » Mon Sep 13 2021 12:48pm

Chadwick wrote:
Sun Sep 12 2021 6:45pm
the UK has an additional constraint - Brexit. We have got rid of our cheap labour supply, so now we have limited resources with which to patch up the supply chain gaps.
I could have added to this that we also import a lot of food. Brexit just makes that more difficult and costly. It does not help in any way at all. We've even had to build a lorry park in Kent to cater for all the trucks for which we cannot process our new self-imposed red tape quickly enough.

Australia on the other hand (since that is the specific comparison we were making) is about 80% self sufficient. Most of what they import is luxury products (eg. alcohol) or national produce to meet specific localised demand (similar to how our Polski Skleps carry brands and produce that you can't find anywhere else).

But at least our fish are happy now. They were miserable as sin before. :roll:

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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by macliam » Mon Sep 13 2021 3:58pm

In Portugal, most of the crabs, both frozen and locally farmed, now come from Ireland. There are reports of thousands and thousands of Spider Crabs massing off the south coast of England, but they're no longer worth catching as, although they are a sought-after luxury in Iberia, they are not appreciated in the home market. Salmon comes from Norway, as does Cod and the Scottish seafood industry has been all-but destroyed.

But at least it's stopped all those illegal immigrants...... no, wait :roll:
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by blythburgh » Wed Sep 15 2021 8:23am

David Powell wrote:

We are 33 weeks into 2021, according to the Brexit Bus the NHS is owed 1150 billion and five hundred and fifty million pounds.
Where the f*ck is the money and why are you not angry about that? You won, do something and claim the takings for us. #BrexitLies #BrexitDisaster

Maybe those who still believe Johnson's lies can tell me where the money is and why it is not being spent on the NHS as promised
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by expressman33 » Wed Sep 15 2021 9:01am

blythburgh wrote:
Wed Sep 15 2021 8:23am
David Powell wrote:

We are 33 weeks into 2021, according to the Brexit Bus the NHS is owed 1150 billion and five hundred and fifty million pounds.
Where the f*ck is the money and why are you not angry about that? You won, do something and claim the takings for us. #BrexitLies #BrexitDisaster

Maybe those who still believe Johnson's lies can tell me where the money is and why it is not being spent on the NHS as promised
Where do those figures come from ?

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